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Post by metalcrypt on Mar 18, 2021 16:01:59 GMT -5
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mjolnir
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Your observations of my nonsense fail to excuse your bad sense
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Post by mjolnir on Mar 18, 2021 16:13:18 GMT -5
I've heard a bit about the political situation over there. It's not looking great.
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We need it as a liquid in our veins instead of blood
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Post by metalmike on Mar 18, 2021 19:44:19 GMT -5
It isn't like he is forcing anyone else to trod on images of religious figures. And aren't images blasphemous in and of themselves anyway? Didn't Moses come down from the mount and smash the golden calf? What gives?
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Post by doomyguy on Mar 19, 2021 0:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by mystophales on Mar 20, 2021 19:06:10 GMT -5
Beyond ridiculous but you have to remember that these people have very strong opinions on this. This is a belief system that was ingrained in people VERY early on and reinforced throughout their lives. I am an atheist but even more than that I belong to a group that has a presence in the local farmers markets on the weekends (well before covid anyway). We set up a booth that has a sign that says "Don't believe in God? You are not alone". 90% of people that stop to talk only want to debate our stance. The worst thing you can actually do is discount what they believe. Best way to counter this is by getting them to examine exactly what it is they believe and simply ask them questions about their beliefs. Most of the time they will become frustrated and walk off but there has been a few occasions where a person comes back a few months later and actually has become a non believer. Now I dont believe Nergal is trying to further atheism as he is just doing anything to get a angry response. If anything this is probably doing more to further his album sales than anything.
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Post by doomyguy on Mar 21, 2021 5:15:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no doubt that people are strongly indoctrinated from early on. I will never understand the grip of religion though - in my view organised religion exists mostly to suppress people and let the few gain power over others and should be outright outlawed.
And that people will believe stuff like the nonsense about a paedophile deep state conspiracy, when there exists a global organisation which a proven history of widespread and accepted paedophilic abuse going back generations, is simply beyond me. (Latest news is that preliminary findings from France believe that 10.000+ children were abused there.)
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Post by metalcrypt on Mar 21, 2021 6:36:27 GMT -5
When I grew up, Catholic religion was still a big thing in Quebec. All public schools were Catholic. That meant prayer in the morning (at least the first few years of elementary school; can't remember when we stopped that). Also a religion class a couple of times a week. And you have to pretend that Christmas was about the birth of J.C. (it's about the gifts! LOL) They went secular at the end of the '80s, I believe. But all those years with the fear of god instilled into us, even more than three decades later you still get that reflex on occasion, even knowing it's all a big scam.
At least I wasn't forced to go to church (except by the school once or twice a year).
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Post by mystophales on Mar 21, 2021 9:07:03 GMT -5
I was a believer until my late 20's or early 30's. I remember very clearly a pastor telling me when I was 8yrs old that if I didnt say my prayers before bed and I happened to sleep with my mouth open that I could be possessed by a demon. Who the fuck says shit like that to a kid?? The turning point for me was actually reading the bible. I did one of those read the bible in a year things and took it very seriously. I even took notes. Afterward it was VERY clear it was bullshit. It was men recounting stories and trying to explain how the world worked when they obviously had no idea how the world worked. From there I read the Koran, The Book of Mormon and The Bhagavad Gita (One of the many Hindu scriptures...didnt have the patience to go through more than one...lol). They all have the exact same flaws in that it is obvious they were written by men as a way of controlling others.
I have to admit, reading the bible helped me out a lot later when I came out to everyone as an atheist. Got a personalized plate for my car that says GODLESS and it is such a satisfying reaction when I start reciting problematic bible scriptures to believers and watch them squirm. The vast majority of believers have not read the bible, they have had it read TO them so of course the problematic shit is not brought up.
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Post by doomyguy on Mar 22, 2021 0:56:11 GMT -5
Who the fuck says shit like that to a kid?? Yeah, that is just vicious. Glad you came out on the other side. Seems like you invested a lot of time in investigating the various religions, I respect that.
Living in a mostly secular country, I just have a hard time taking it all seriously enough to do something like that, but then I have not had religion imposed on me either. Nah, that is what we let the children believe. It's really about the food and the alcohol  |
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Post by mystophales on Mar 22, 2021 4:29:53 GMT -5
Who the fuck says shit like that to a kid?? Yeah, that is just vicious. Glad you came out on the other side. Seems like you invested a lot of time in investigating the various religions, I respect that.
Living in a mostly secular country, I just have a hard time taking it all seriously enough to do something like that, but then I have not had religion imposed on me either. Nah, that is what we let the children believe. It's really about the food and the alcohol I was always told by pastors that all the answers I would need would be found in the bible. For once they werent actually wrong. Reading the bible could very well be the best case you could make for atheism...lol |
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Post by metalcrypt on Mar 22, 2021 12:47:43 GMT -5
Nah, that is what we let the children believe. It's really about the food and the alcohol Back then, we were children so, gifts!  Nowadays it’s my alone time. Only good thing of the pandemic is that I didn’t have to make up an excuse this year. |
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Post by doomyguy on Mar 22, 2021 15:33:47 GMT -5
Nah, that is what we let the children believe. It's really about the food and the alcohol Back then, we were children so, gifts! Nowadays it’s my alone time. Only good thing of the pandemic is that I didn’t have to make up an excuse this year. Kinda envious of that. For me it has somehow ended up with us hosting the family gatherings 3 years out of 4. I don't mind cooking, but the grande christmas dinner is more stressful than fun to do. |
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